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[Mormonlike]

Ich haben gestern einen Mann getroffen, welches sagte, das er pansexual wäre. Das sind Menschen, die alle Menschen liegen, regardless ihre Geschlecht oder sexual Präferenz.
Ist so etwas biblical? Oder ist das eine Wahl wie Homosexualität?

[Mormonlike]

I would strongly suggest to study the advices given for living one's life as you find them in the New Testament letters.

I think that such people are more open and honest in love. They have no restrictions. It is the person, not gender or sexual orientation what is important to them.

[Mormonlike]

You may appreciate and honour anybody and be good friends with anybody regardless of gender, race, religious belief or what ever. But as far as is concerned what the Word of God teaches you are not allowed to have sexual relationships to anybody except the one person you are married to - a person who must be definitely from the opposite sex. Thus biblical christianity is quite contradictory to what is going on within Western societies.

Well, I think that love, lived open, honest and in dignity, can be never wrong. All the same, whether straight or queer. God has given us a gift to which I would like to draw the attention: The gift of the sexuality. It serves to give pleasure to the person, and is not there, primarily to become children.
If I may ask you something:
Do you believe, that homosexual, heterosexual, pansexual, hermaphrodites, transsexuals etc. had chosen therr sexual orientation or sexual identity, or which they were born with it? And if they were born that way, God to himself thought maybe something to it?
Think once about it.

[Mormonlike]

There are many questions. The basic statement nevertheless remains: Biblical christianity is based on the Bible. Christians understand the Bible as the ultimate document of life and doctrine. Thoughtful christians will be thoughtful and careful in their attempt to interprete and to apply the Bible. But Bible will for ever be Bible.

Yeah, but the Bible was in church history often diferent interpreted. For excample: In 1. Corinthians you will find the word Malakee for homosexuals (the "feminine" part), but earlier it was translated as mastubate. In Leviticus homosexuality is called an abomination (Chapter 18 & 20). But the original word, TO'EBAH doesn't mean a moral sin, it mean a ritual sin (e.g. to visit the temple of Jerusalem. A pregnant woman was also an abomination. She must had a ritual bath and then she was clean to enter the temple. The best word as I suppose, is the word TABOO for it.

[Mormonlike]

There are many things which are called to'awat jachweh (" ' " means a sound, not the pronunciation of the following syllable). There is no doubt what the Bible teaches about sexual immorality. Differences of interpretation don't make any basic difference of what the Bible says.

Well, the Bible itself does not say in any verse, that e.g. homosexuality itself was sexual immorality. The Old Testament and Paul in the New Testament always saw "homosexuality in connection with idolatry and to keep the jewish tribe holy. Read for example this books:

Robin Scroggs, The New Testament and Homosexuality: Contextual Background for Contemporary Debate (Philadelphia: Fortress, 1983).

P. Michael Ukleja, “The Bible and Homosexuality; Part 2: Homosexuality in the New Testament,” Bibliotheca Sacra 140 (October-December 1983)

James B. DeYoung, “The Meaning of Nature in Romans 1 and Its Implications for Biblical Proscriptions of Homosexual Behavior,” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 31 [December 1988]

Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature

Richard B. Hays, “Relations Natural and Unnatural: A Response to J. Boswells Exegesis of Romans 1,” Journal of Religious Ethics 14 (Spring 1986)


ALL of them support my statement, that homosexuality was in the Bible not seen as a sin by itself, but as a "ritual sin(taboo) in connection with shrine prostitution.

For example:

“For the apostle, history is governed by the primal sin of rebellion against the Creator, which finds repeated and universal expression. It is thus governed by the wrath of God, which throws the creature back on itself, corresponding to its own will, and abandons it to the world… Paul paradoxically reverses the cause and consequence: Moral perversion is the result of Gods wrath, not the reason for it” (Ernst Käsemann, Commentary
on Romans, trans. and ed. Geoffrey W. Bromiley [Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1980]

[1.Kor.1,30]

Siebel/Angermayr (Autoren):

Ratzingers römische Apostasie-Symbolik

Diese Veröffentlichung legt mit unwiderlegbaren Bilddokumenten dar, dass in der römischen Kirche, die sich noch "katholische Kirche" nennt, ein Rückfall in das Heidentum vonstatten geht. Hauptverantwortlicher für diese Entwicklung ist der Priester (1) und Theologieprofessor Joseph Ratzinger, der als Benedikt XVI. die ihm folgenden Christen in den Glaubensabfall führt und die Welt über seine wahren Absichten bisher im Unklaren ließ. Er zeigte sich nach seiner "Papst"-Wahl als Förderer der Verehrung der heidnischen Götter Pan und Eros und sucht, wo es geht, das Kreuz zurückzudrängen, wie seine liturgische Kleidung am Tag seiner Amtseinführung auf dem Petersplatz in Rom und sein Wappen beweisen. Als vom Glauben abgefallener Apostat fühlt er sich mit dem römischen Kaiser Julian dem Apostaten verbunden und stürmt in eine Zukunft, die dem Wiederaufbau des Tempels in Jerusalem förderlich sein dürfte..

dazu: Papsttum und Pan - Ratzinger und die heidnischen Sexualgötter, aus: www.prologos.ch, mit den entsprechenden Bilddokumenten

[Mormonlike]

Okay. The German scholar Ernst Käsemann is probably the most important student of th German scholar Rudolf Bultmann. Both approach the New Testament from the philosophical point of view of existencialism. Both are representatives of the "historisch-kritische Methode". I myself do not agree with these approaches. Käsemann tried to understand Pauline theology from jewish apocalyptic thought. I understand Paul to be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

I try to reach to the original texts of the Bible to understand in such a way what the author wanted to say us. I would never go so far of saying that Paul was inspired in all what he wrote. Particularly as is not sure whether all Epistle were originally written by him? And also some verses have been written, as scientific researches prove, not by him, but were been added only later (e.g., the verses where women should be quiet in the church). I am careful!

[Mormonlike]

Siebel/Angermayr (Autoren):

Ratzingers römische Apostasie-Symbolik

Diese Veröffentlichung legt mit unwiderlegbaren Bilddokumenten dar, dass in der römischen Kirche, die sich noch "katholische Kirche" nennt, ein Rückfall in das Heidentum vonstatten geht. Hauptverantwortlicher für diese Entwicklung ist der Priester (1) und Theologieprofessor Joseph Ratzinger, der als Benedikt XVI. die ihm folgenden Christen in den Glaubensabfall führt und die Welt über seine wahren Absichten bisher im Unklaren ließ. Er zeigte sich nach seiner "Papst"-Wahl als Förderer der Verehrung der heidnischen Götter Pan und Eros und sucht, wo es geht, das Kreuz zurückzudrängen, wie seine liturgische Kleidung am Tag seiner Amtseinführung auf dem Petersplatz in Rom und sein Wappen beweisen. Als vom Glauben abgefallener Apostat fühlt er sich mit dem römischen Kaiser Julian dem Apostaten verbunden und stürmt in eine Zukunft, die dem Wiederaufbau des Tempels in Jerusalem förderlich sein dürfte..

dazu: Papsttum und Pan - Ratzinger und die heidnischen Sexualgötter, aus: www.prologos.ch, mit den entsprechenden Bilddokumenten

Please, can you explain/translate it in English? My translation program can't understand it.

[1.Kor.1,30]

I'll try, but not this evening. But you can study the photos and pictures in the article of the website to catch the idea.

Generally spoken: the article is about the actual Pope who chose an image of the Pagan God "Pan" as representation on his Mithra. "Pan" is a Greek God of Erotics and Sexuality.

[Mormonlike]

I'll try, but not this evening. But you can study the photos and pictures in the article of the website to catch the idea.

Generally spoken: the article is about the actual Pope who chose an image of the Pagan God "Pan" as representation on his Mithra. "Pan" is a Greek God of Erotics and Sexuality.

I understand. However, this thread isn't talking here about PAN, a pagan God, but around pansexuality. This word describes a person who is neither heterosexual nor homosexual, but loves a person, independent of the gender of the concerning person. These people can also love transsexuals or hermaphrodites. Physically, psychically and emotionally. This is the subject, not a pagan God or a pope.

[Mormonlike]

Hier habe ich doch so einen Text gefunden, mit Bildern:

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Das ist natürlich sehr seltsam. Tortzdem halte ich es für absurd, Benedikt XVI. solche Geschichten anzuhängen.

I think it is ridiculous what is subordinated here to the pope. I do not like him because he has protected child abuser, however, this accusation is such a thing, how the "conspiracy of the Freemasons" here in the USA. Once again: thread here is not the pope, it is pansexuality.

[1.Kor.1,30]

The accusation is in accordance with the Bible. The Big Whore of Revelation 17! One of the chief leaders is the Pope. And we here in Europe, we have enough good information of university professors and other people who know very well the true history of the past century. Privately they will tell you what they know about truth which is totally different from official history versions. We don't even need "conspiracy theories".

Bye!